Comments on: Revising member support to better support our members. https://blog.nearlyfreespeech.net/2007/01/21/revising-member-support-to-better-support-our-members/ A blog from the staff at NearlyFreeSpeech.NET. Mon, 05 Mar 2007 18:41:07 +0000 hourly 1 By: patrick https://blog.nearlyfreespeech.net/2007/01/21/revising-member-support-to-better-support-our-members/#comment-1800 Mon, 05 Mar 2007 18:41:07 +0000 http://blog.nearlyfreespeech.net/2007/01/21/revising-member-support-to-better-support-our-members/#comment-1800 This may sound totally evil, but I think you should consider the option of “firing” clients. If you can rank the clients in terms of cost-to-support, you can identify those that really do cost too much. Presumably, since this service is more geared towards the do-it-yourself type for lower cost, you’d get some bargain seekers who are not really right for this service, and who “abuse” the support line.

It’s a tough balancing act because you don’t want to scare off people who think they’ll lose service due to asking for support. Perhaps if you can provide some visibility to clients on where they fall in the spectrum of cost-to-support. (Am I in the top 10 or in the top 1000?) Then we (the clients) can self-regulate.

In any case, some way to objectively identify clients who should not be clients, and then explicit (candorous?) communication about what that means to to the client relationship should help weed out the “abusers” and keep costs down.

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By: n https://blog.nearlyfreespeech.net/2007/01/21/revising-member-support-to-better-support-our-members/#comment-1746 Tue, 20 Feb 2007 20:45:49 +0000 http://blog.nearlyfreespeech.net/2007/01/21/revising-member-support-to-better-support-our-members/#comment-1746 How about this?
two levels of support, free and paid – where free is the forum where an answer will turn up, and paid is the email system where answers are much faster/via staff and it is charged – How to decide how much to charge? in a way that is fair to everyone? I really don’t know!

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By: ken https://blog.nearlyfreespeech.net/2007/01/21/revising-member-support-to-better-support-our-members/#comment-1515 Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:23:54 +0000 http://blog.nearlyfreespeech.net/2007/01/21/revising-member-support-to-better-support-our-members/#comment-1515 Brilliant!

Typical of NearlyFreeSpeech.net: a creative, outside-the-box, new solution to an apparently intractable problem.

That’s what I like about this service. Yes, new ideas are definitely your core strength, and the more time you are able to free up to focus on them, the better.

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By: Justin Tuijl https://blog.nearlyfreespeech.net/2007/01/21/revising-member-support-to-better-support-our-members/#comment-1113 Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:08:54 +0000 http://blog.nearlyfreespeech.net/2007/01/21/revising-member-support-to-better-support-our-members/#comment-1113 I agree with the fact that support is crucial to start off with as when I first had my site here I messed up a permision and when I deleted the file it procceded to delete my whole site, it was a stupid mistake of a novice, mind you I would have been annoyed to have to pay for support in order to get it by site back, on the other hand I probably would have been gratefull that I got it back at all. If I had done the same with Yahoo Geocities, where you can never get hold of ‘support’ then my site would be long gone.

One thing that came to mind is that companies like yahoo, creative, and some hosts I have dealt with make it very hard to get through to support, and then they take days to reply. I am not saying that NFS should follow their bad example I am just trying to say that NFS support is easy to get quickly and I know when I first started using the service I did send of some support requests that probably were a bit to hasty. On the other hand when you got back my site that time it couldn’t have been quick enough.

I use do not use support requests anymore (as I have not messed anything up recently) and restrict myself to the odd comment on the support forum.

The idea is a good one and I hope it does what it should do for NFS, I am all for it.

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By: Zach https://blog.nearlyfreespeech.net/2007/01/21/revising-member-support-to-better-support-our-members/#comment-1100 Thu, 08 Feb 2007 07:20:29 +0000 http://blog.nearlyfreespeech.net/2007/01/21/revising-member-support-to-better-support-our-members/#comment-1100 I love NFS but recently all these price changes worry me. I realize that they are “necessary” but more and more NFS is becoming a great deal for just file storage, which is good for some but not all. I know it isn’t at $5.99/month level … but still, compared to what I paid when I signed up over a year ago …

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By: cliff1976 https://blog.nearlyfreespeech.net/2007/01/21/revising-member-support-to-better-support-our-members/#comment-837 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 22:36:47 +0000 http://blog.nearlyfreespeech.net/2007/01/21/revising-member-support-to-better-support-our-members/#comment-837 s grown to a fairly unwieldy size and can be hard to navigate. It’s not really good for experts or novices right now, because there’s a lot of material in there pulling it in each direction. We need to make some changes there as well.</blockquote> I must be in the sweet spot then, because I find it to be fantastic reading which touches on some stuff I already know, some stuff I want to know more about, and other stuff I need to research more before I can fully appreciate it. I wouldn't change it at all, but if changes are required, I hope it's still as fulfilling for me afterwards. <b>Oh definitely, we're not going to do away with the content or anything. It just needs some reorganization (particularly the non-member part) and navigation aids to make it easier to find what you need when you're in a hurry. -jdw</b>]]>

One example of how that can hurt is our member FAQ. It’s grown to a fairly unwieldy size and can be hard to navigate. It’s not really good for experts or novices right now, because there’s a lot of material in there pulling it in each direction. We need to make some changes there as well.

I must be in the sweet spot then, because I find it to be fantastic reading which touches on some stuff I already know, some stuff I want to know more about, and other stuff I need to research more before I can fully appreciate it. I wouldn’t change it at all, but if changes are required, I hope it’s still as fulfilling for me afterwards.

Oh definitely, we’re not going to do away with the content or anything. It just needs some reorganization (particularly the non-member part) and navigation aids to make it easier to find what you need when you’re in a hurry. -jdw

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By: Paul https://blog.nearlyfreespeech.net/2007/01/21/revising-member-support-to-better-support-our-members/#comment-831 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 18:25:13 +0000 http://blog.nearlyfreespeech.net/2007/01/21/revising-member-support-to-better-support-our-members/#comment-831 Fantastic answer, thanks.

My instinct is that you’ll still need to differentiate the two tiers more dramatically (e.g. on turnaround time) in order to make it work, but in any case I’m glad you’re trying this.

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By: jdw https://blog.nearlyfreespeech.net/2007/01/21/revising-member-support-to-better-support-our-members/#comment-829 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 17:36:51 +0000 http://blog.nearlyfreespeech.net/2007/01/21/revising-member-support-to-better-support-our-members/#comment-829 Yes, charging per issue has been considered, but was rejected (for now) because it would causes all sorts of problems.

If, as a previous commenter suggested, it were $0.25 per issue, that’s about 2 minutes of time at minimum wage; barely enough time to read a request and reply with “Maybe.” And since we position ourselves as a service for experienced users, we don’t have any minimum wage “tier 1” script-readers answering support inquiries. We need people who can understand and troubleshoot complex problems, and then effectively communicate the explanation. We need people who view it as a career path and not as an alternative to fast food with no heavy lifting, which means we need to pay accordingly.

So if we were to charge less per issue than it costs to provide the answer, we’ve magnified the problem, because we would have codified the old joke:

Me: We sell each issue at a small loss.
You: How do you make a profit?
Me: Volume, volume, volume!

The second problem is scope. What if a person pays their $0.25 (or whatever) and asks two questions in one request? Do we tell them to resubmit the other one? What if they respond to our answer and say “Well, what about this…?” or “I was also wondering…?” We already get people who try to reply to weeks-old issues rather than start new ones, just to keep the message on the request page from changing. What about complexity? Some questions just take a lot longer to answer than others.

Do you implement a sliding scale or charge based on the actual time it takes? But if the person doesn’t know in advance how much it will cost, what if it turns out they can’t afford it, or the answer is not worth that much to them?

The third problem is this: not all support issues should be paid for. Should you pay to get a response to a “Hey my site isn’t working!” issue? Well, it depends. If it’s not working because one of our servers is down, then no, you definitely shouldn’t. But if it’s not working because you skipped a step during the setup and you need us to point out which one, then yes, you should. Between those two examples, there is a lot of gray area, which leaves room for disputes and arguments over what someone should or shouldn’t have to pay for.

The fourth problem is satisfaction. What if the person who paid for an answer isn’t happy with the answer? Either we expend unlimited effort until the person is satisfied or there has to be dispute process again, which would take more time and cost more money.

Sure, the dispute processes could be “Don’t like it? Tough luck!” and that would work fine for us, but it would alienate people. When we encourage people to find a service that provide a higher level of support for a higher monthly fee (for example, people can sometimes really benefit from telephone support, where someone can walk them through something step-by step), we do like to try to do it gently, without alienating them, so that once they gain the necessary expertise, maybe they’ll give us another shot. Putting people in a situation where they feel like they got ripped off won’t get us there.

Finally, there’s a focus issue. Our service is designed for experienced users, so when a situation comes up, we often have to say “do we optimize this for experts or novice users?” Systems optimized for experts annoy novice users and systems optimized for novice users annoy experts.

One example of how that can hurt is our member FAQ. It’s grown to a fairly unwieldy size and can be hard to navigate. It’s not really good for experts or novices right now, because there’s a lot of material in there pulling it in each direction. We need to make some changes there as well.

Similarly, even if you give out the first one free, pay-per-issue schemes seem to be dragging things away from our focus. Offering to respond to issues for a fee creates a sort of unlimited obligation to answer all those questions that we shouldn’t be answering. Even if that means we make more money, it also means slower response times for our core users when they need it most.

Remember, our goal is not to make money from support, merely not to lose any.

So that’s why limiting the number of support requests (as one example) might make more sense than charging for them (as another example).

Over the next few weeks, we’ll see how well the heavy support users self-identify and opt in to Extended Support, and then we’ll go from there. We do have some other good ideas that we’ve kicked around that should help us make sure everybody gets what they need, which is ultimately what we’re here for.

Well, that’s candor for you.

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By: Paul https://blog.nearlyfreespeech.net/2007/01/21/revising-member-support-to-better-support-our-members/#comment-823 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 13:33:24 +0000 http://blog.nearlyfreespeech.net/2007/01/21/revising-member-support-to-better-support-our-members/#comment-823 First of all, I’m a new customer and very impressed with your business so far. I’ve been doing web development for ten years and there are only one or two other hosting companies I’ve dealt with that have made this sort of impression.

Your “pay for what you use” pricing model is thoughtful and reasonable, and your no-bullshit attitude is very refreshing.

I was surprised by your comment that your next step would be to “look for ways to constrain [support] to a manageable cost”. You don’t take this approach with disk space or bandwidth — you don’t *need* to constrain them because your pricing model makes sure that revenue is proportional to use. In fact you want your business to grow, which means you want people to use *more*.

The obvious parallel here to your other pricing policies would be to charge per support email. I’m sure you’ve considered this, so maybe what I’m really asking to hear is your reasons for rejecting it. (Note that I wouldn’t even consider asking most hosting companies this sort of question, but you have set an unusual precedent for candor.)

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By: Seamus https://blog.nearlyfreespeech.net/2007/01/21/revising-member-support-to-better-support-our-members/#comment-777 Tue, 30 Jan 2007 21:45:42 +0000 http://blog.nearlyfreespeech.net/2007/01/21/revising-member-support-to-better-support-our-members/#comment-777 I think this idea is reasonable, but encouraging people to use the forum and have volunteers answer whatever questions they can is certainly a way to keep the cost down…

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